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Every claim is stated exactly, traced to its origin, and evaluated against the best supporting and the best opposing case. Scientific claims must expose their full reasoning chain — observation, measurement, calculation, prediction, physical test, result, replication — and declare per-model predictions BEFORE the result is shown. Appeals to authority (“science says”, “experts agree”, “the math proves it”, “settled”) are not evidence. Confidence is authored, not tallied. Preserve disagreement rather than force a conclusion.
Southern-hemisphere long-haul flight times distinguish between competing world models
PlausibleThe observed scheduled block times for SYD↔SCL, JNB↔PER, and AKL↔EZE distinguish between a spherical earth and a Gleason-flat cosmology.
Origin: Popular map-model debates; verified endpoints via OurAirports.
Best supporting case
Great-circle distances on a mean-radius sphere plus published block times match observed operations at ordinary jet cruise speeds.
Best opposing case
The observation only cuts between models after a specific competing projection's distance calculation is stated. Absent that, block times are consistent with both by assumption.
Evidence
[supports] observation Raw measurement — Endpoint coordinates from open airport data.
- ↳ OurAirports — Sydney Kingsford Smith (YSSY) (Reference)
- ↳ OurAirports — Santiago Arturo Merino Benítez (SCEL) (Reference)
- ↳ OurAirports — O. R. Tambo International (FAOR) (Reference)
- ↳ OurAirports — Perth Airport (YPPH) (Reference)
- ↳ OurAirports — Auckland Airport (NZAA) (Reference)
- ↳ OurAirports — Ministro Pistarini Ezeiza (SAEZ) (Reference)
[supports] calculation Mathematical calculation — Haversine on a WGS84 mean sphere yields distances matching operator block times at 800–900 km/h cruise.
Reasoning chain · observation → measurement → calculation → prediction → physical test → result → replication
observation Direct observation
Scheduled non-stop passenger service operates SYD↔SCL, JNB↔PER, AKL↔EZE.
- Performed by
- Public airline schedules; corroborated by OurAirports airport records.
measurement Raw measurement
Endpoint airport coordinates recorded in WGS84 decimal degrees.
- Equipment
- Public OurAirports dataset, WGS84 reference.
- Raw values
- SYD −33.9461, 151.1772 · SCL −33.3928, −70.7858 · JNB −26.1392, 28.2460 · PER −31.9403, 115.9669 · AKL −37.0080, 174.7920 · EZE −34.8222, −58.5358
- Error sources / limits
- Airport reference point vs. runway threshold: <2 km, negligible at 10^4 km scale.
calculation Mathematical calculation
Great-circle distance via haversine on a mean-radius sphere R = 6371.0088 km.
- Procedure
- d = 2R · asin(√(sin²(Δφ/2) + cos φ₁ cos φ₂ sin²(Δλ/2))).
⚠ Uses a spherical earth assumption. This is not independent evidence for a sphere; it is a prediction FROM the sphere model.
prediction Mathematical calculation
At 800–900 km/h ground speed the great-circle distance divides into a block time consistent with published schedules (~12–14 h depending on winds).
physical test Direct observation
Board the flight or track it with ADS-B; record wheels-up and touchdown timestamps; compare to schedule window.
result Raw measurement
Public schedule windows fall inside the sphere-model prediction band. A Gleason-projection distance for the same endpoints has not been supplied for direct numerical comparison in this record.
replication Testimony
Multiple carriers over multi-year windows repeat the operation. Independent ADS-B archives (e.g. FlightRadar24, ADS-B Exchange) would strengthen this — not yet ingested here.
- Independent replication
- Not yet ingested with primary URLs; treat replication as 'reported but unverified in this record'.
Model predictions · declared before results
Spherical earth (WGS84 mean sphere)
Expected: SYD→SCL ≈ 11,364 km · JNB→PER ≈ 8,300 km · AKL→EZE ≈ 10,350 km
Pattern: Curved great-circle track passing south of a straight rhumb line.
Uncertainty: ±1% for endpoint precision; block-time band widens with wind.
Gleason north-polar azimuthal projection
No quantitative prediction supplied.
No widely published distance formula treats the Gleason projection as a physical geometry with a stated metric for southern-hemisphere point pairs. Until one is supplied, mark as 'No quantitative prediction supplied' rather than inventing one.
Outcome: Result is too uncertain to distinguish the models
Interactive calculator · Great-circle distance SYD → SCL (haversine, sphere assumption)
d = 2·R·asin(√(sin²(Δφ/2) + cos φ₁·cos φ₂·sin²(Δλ/2)))
Result: error: Code generation from strings disallowed for this context km- Expected:
- ≈ 11,364 km
- Measured:
- Not a direct measurement — the returned number is calculated FROM the sphere model.
- Uncertainty:
- ±0.5% from endpoint precision; excludes wind/track deviations.
- Alt. models:
- Any distance formula that reduces to the sphere metric at these coordinates yields the same value; no Gleason-metric formula supplied.
⚠ This calculation is a PREDICTION of the sphere model, not independent evidence for it. Presenting it as observation would be circular.
Physical verification · reproducible tests
Record a southern long-haul with ADS-B($25–$120 total)
Equipment
- RTL-SDR USB receiver (~$25)
- 1090 MHz antenna
- PC or Raspberry Pi running dump1090 or readsb
Record
- Raw Mode-S/ADS-B messages
- Receiver clock offset vs. NTP
- Local weather during observation
Steps
- Set up receiver with clear view of the sky along the expected track.
- Log all Mode-S messages for the flight window.
- Extract position reports (ICAO24, lat, lon, timestamp) into CSV.
- Plot the raw track on any map projection you choose without projecting the earth model into the raw lat/lon values.
- Compare integrated distance against the haversine prediction AND against any distance formula the opposing model supplies.
Safety
- Antenna placement — follow local electrical and roof safety codes.
Confounding factors
- Aircraft may deviate for weather, ATC, wind optimization.
- ADS-B position itself is computed by the aircraft's GNSS — a globe-assumption pipeline.
- Refraction and antenna geometry do not affect reported lat/lon, but do affect signal reception windows.
Confirmation-bias controls
- Publish raw messages before plotting on any map.
- Have someone else derive the distance from the raw log without seeing your prediction.
- Include failed captures and dropouts.
Flat/enclosed predicts: No published quantitative Gleason-metric distance supplied for these endpoints — record raw track without assuming one.
Globe predicts: Track follows a great circle curving south of a rhumb line; integrated distance ≈ published sphere value.
Submit results: Attach the raw CSV, receiver log, and a written protocol via /community-science/submit. Do not upload a processed track without the raw source.
Circular-reasoning check
- Uses a model-generated value as if it were raw evidence
Hidden assumptions
- A specific cruise-speed band.
- A specific competing projection's distance formula is stated before the observation is treated as decisive.
Missing evidence
- Point-by-point ADS-B tracks for the same routes to remove reliance on schedule pages.
- A written derivation of the Gleason-projection distance between the same endpoints for direct comparison.
Contradictions
— none recorded —
Reproducibility
- Distances are reproducible via haversine; block times are reproducible from airline schedules for the same window.
Confidence · moderate
The math holds and the observation is public, but the claim is only decisive once the opposing model's distance is stated explicitly. Preserving that gap is the honest thing to do.
Confidence is authored, not tallied. It reflects primary vs. secondary evidence, source independence, methodology, conflicts, and reproducibility — not the count of sources.